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navymrgoodbar · Aug 09, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Plz answer as the following:

1. Which one is the better runner if both had the best runes on and the best skills for the run?

2. Which one would win in a 1 on 1 fight if the W/MO was a tank & the MO/W was a soloing smiter/UW soloer? (And both had the best runes on.)

Thank you for any answers given.

Weezer_Blue · Aug 09, 2005, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Well, without enchantment removal, a Mo/W is completely invincible.

free4all · Aug 09, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Your scenario is flawed, here's why:
1. Mo/W is UW soloer, 105 build
2. W/Mo is a tank.
Therefore,
1. Tanks are designed to absorb damage, not deal it. So even if the Mo/W wasn't a 105 build, the tank wouldn't be able to do much damage.
2. You can't hurt a Mo/W UW soloer without enchant removal
3. Smites ignore armor, so basically the tank will last as long as his HP lets him.

Best runner? I'd say W/Mo because you need strength for sprint.

aB- · Aug 09, 2005, 05:41 AM // 05:41

1) IN GENERAL, W/Mo because he packs better armor, as well as other goodies such as absobtion runes. However, a Mo/W would be a better runner against anything without enchantment removal.

2) If the Mo/W was an UW soloer, the Mo/W would completely crush him because a W/Mo lacks any enchantment removal skills, making the monk invincible. However, a simple change to W/N, or W/Me would result in a total domination of the Mo/W

Judas Paladin · Aug 09, 2005, 05:48 AM // 05:48

wanna farm? Mo/W.

wanna tank? W/Mo.

Cartoonhero · Aug 09, 2005, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas Paladin

wanna farm? Mo/W.

wanna tank? W/Mo.

pretty much what he said..although you can do pretty well as a w/mo in a duet with an actual healer..i do it all the time.

Racthoh · Aug 09, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12

Play as a w/mo and prepare to be branded as a newb.

Player as a mo/w and prepare to pay 40k+ for superior runes.

ShadowStorm · Aug 09, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

Well, without enchantment removal, a Mo/W is completely invincible.

That is not completely correct. Without enchantment removal, I'm sure my W/N could kill one of these famous Mo/W UW solo smiters. The Key to defeating them lies in Health Degeneration. I can keep between 13 and 17 pips of degen on a character for over 11 seconds. Even if they plan to heal themselves with various healing spells (namely Healing Breeze), they have far too few hit points to keep up with 20 damage a second for 11 seconds. They'll die.

Andy of Glacieria · Aug 09, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

W/Mo or Mo/W well there is no good or bad... W/Mo is a better starter tho and keep in mind that a monk primary is best found healing or protecting. I would choose a W/Mo.

Boubou · Aug 09, 2005, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowStorm

That is not completely correct. Without enchantment removal, I'm sure my W/N could kill one of these famous Mo/W UW solo smiters. The Key to defeating them lies in Health Degeneration. I can keep between 13 and 17 pips of degen on a character for over 11 seconds. Even if they plan to heal themselves with various healing spells (namely Healing Breeze), they have far too few hit points to keep up with 20 damage a second for 11 seconds. They'll die.

You only quoted the part that interested you. The original question was about a W/Mo.. not a W/N... if you read few post before yours, you'll see the same thing, a W/N or W/Me would own the Mo/W.

Hell Marauder · Aug 09, 2005, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Damage output: Mo/W > W/Mo
Survivability: W/Mo > Mo/W
If a Mo/W vs a W/Mo, Mo/W wins

Count Feanor · Aug 09, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Well then. I'll prepare for these Monk/Warriors and destroy them with my Warrior/Necro. That sounds like a lot of fun. Muahahahahahaha!

FrogDevourer · Aug 09, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by navymrgoodbar

1. Which one is the better runner if both had the best runes on and the best skills for the run?

Monks are notorious runners. They just love to make forge runs.

If you want a runner, you might want to use the search button with various keywords such as "forge runner build".

Quote:

Originally Posted by navymrgoodbar

2. Which one would win in a 1 on 1 fight if the W/MO was a tank & the MO/W was a soloing smiter/UW soloer? (And both had the best runes on.)

Go, go, duel!

The w/mo can't remove all the monk's enchantments and especially not protective bond so he can't kill him. The monk deals only melee damage and he can't catch a sprinting warrior. This is a draw. That's why you will hopefully never see duels in GW.

Xue Yi Liang · Aug 10, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Sry but, to me, this discussion is like the ones kids have: "Who would win in a fight, Batman or Spiderman?" (Godzilla vs. King Kong, Mad Max vs. Steven Segal) etc.

I mean, what's the point?

Krank · Aug 10, 2005, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Wanna see a 105 monk die fast?
Poison him/Set on fire/Conjure Phantasm

Iraqalypse Now · Aug 10, 2005, 02:26 AM // 02:26

the right war/mo build might be able to work against a 105 mo/war... I think the trick would be zealot's fire, flurry, fear me, for great justice, and wild blow. Wild blow is for the bonnetti's defense, fear me is to lock them out of mana to keep up healing breeze or balthazar's aura, while flurry and zealot's fire is to put lots of numbers over their head. After their energy is mostly locked down, a 13 tactics healsig should be more than enough to counter zealot's fire damage and top of your life total for the eventual next balthazar's aura.

build for warmo beating mo/war
10+3 tactics
10+2 swords
11 smiting

zealot's fire
for great justice
fear me
riposte
healsig
sever artery
flurry
hamstring

zealous pvp sword of fortitude
stance based pvp weaponry

jesh · Aug 10, 2005, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Marauder

Damage output: Mo/W > W/Mo
Survivability: W/Mo > Mo/W
If a Mo/W vs a W/Mo, Mo/W wins

Uh.. a w/mo has access to smite spells too, you know. Try Strength of Honor, Judge's Insight, and hundred blades/cyclone. Final thrust and eviscerate are hot also. DPS wise, a warrior is the best for sustained damage in the game.

Slade xTekno · Aug 10, 2005, 06:16 AM // 06:16

The ones who say Mo/W are more versatile are full of crock. Let's compare:
Mo/W can heal, farm and do runs. They have better energy. Many are popping up due to the many-wannabe farmers, and runes are hard to come by.
W/Mo can tank, do damage, farm [http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=3383], and do runs. They have better armor. The game has changed to the point that W/Mo's are becoming less popular, so being one might be a refreshing change. Warriors are very gear-dependant. [but max-damage weapons are much easier to get than Superior Monk Runes]

jesh · Aug 10, 2005, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Amen.
5 bleached carapace > sup runes any day.

stefan16 · Aug 11, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

well, i prefer Mo/w for tanking

since i got +4 regen with my mending and healing breeze gives +10 (which i can use infinite)
i always have +14 hp regen, and i also u an axe

i got:
Cleave{E}
Penetrating blow
Executioners strike
Watch urself!
Bonettis defence
Healing breeze (Gives+10regen)
Balthazars spirit
Mending (Gives +4)

11 axe mastery
13 healing prayers
7 tactics and a 16armor Aegis with +7armor vs physical
6 smitting for balthazars spirit
3 divine favor (got some stats left ^^)

sounds weird but i can use healing breeze infinite and i also got 60+10 armor set (vs phys dmg.) and watch urself helps also